My final panel on Saturday was the standing-room-only Sherlock Holmes Roundtable, which was a
lot of fun, lively, dynamic discussion about all incarnations of our favorite
detective, led by Mike Pederson and Adele Gardner. Sorry these notes are pretty
“stream of consciousness” – or as much as I could capture in the fast-flowing
discussion!
“Study in Emerald” – Neil Gaiman
short story in collection Study in
Sherlock
Laurie R. King, Mary Russell
series, starting with “The Beekeeper's Apprentice”
Carol Nelson Douglas, the Irene
Adler series
Best movie versions: Basil
Rathbone and Jeremy Brett
Favorite Watsons?
David Burke, Martin Freeman
Lucy Liu? She would have been a
better Sherlock!
Mike was very turned off by the
“medically induced coma” storyline – if the show doesn’t respect science, how
can it really be Sherlock Holmes?
Tom Baker (the inevitable
question of Dr Who connections) was in a 1982 TV miniseries of Hound of the Baskervilles!
WhoLock – fantastic, high quality fan mashup of Sherlock and Dr.
Who – check out the videos and a behind-the-scenes, making of video
Matt Smith read for Watson, ended
up in Dr. Who!
Watson, from “Three Garridebs”:
“It was worth a wound; it was
worth many wounds; to know the depth of loyalty and love which lay behind that
cold mask. The clear, hard eyes were dimmed for a moment, and the firm lips
were shaking. For the one and only time I caught a glimpse of a great heart as
well as of a great brain. All my years of humble but single-minded service
culminated in that moment of revelation.”
“Adventure of the Yellow Face” –
interracial relationship – very unusual for Doyle’s treatment of it in his time
Moriarty was only in 1 Doyle
story!
Great performance by Andrew Scott
in Sherlock
Mycroft – Sherlock’s version is closer to Billy Wilder movie, Private Life of Sherlock Holmes
Watson’s wife is played by Martin
Freeman’s wife in Sherlock Season 3 –
she’s a wonderful character!
Lara Pulver plays Irene Adler in Sherlock
“weaponized femininity”
Does Sherlock have sex? Should
he?
"Study in Scarlet" – it’s clear
that if something doesn’t help him solve cases, it’s simply not on his radar.
He doesn’t know that the planets revolve around the sun!
Watson says that emotion is
abhorrent to Sherlock
Jeremy Brett’s Sherlock woos a
chambermaid for his case – very awkward – comes off as cruel and mean – not
proud, but doing what he thinks needs to be done.
Great moment in Sherlock Season 1 when he is cruel to
Molly about a Christmas gift, then feels very abashed.
Doyle often shows Sherlock as
cruel to Watson – “you tell me what you think…no, here’s why you’re all wrong!”
It’s been said that any good
writer could have come up with Sherlock, but only Doyle could have created
Watson
John Bell was Doyle’s teacher –
model for Sherlock Holmes – what he see as “flaws” in the character are almost
certainly the product of their time
House is really an homage to Bell, inspired by Sherlock Holmes
Drug problem
Glad they’ve pulled back from
that as a focus on Sherlock
Greg Lestrade – could almost be
in his own series – seems so richly realized by Rupert Graves in Sherlock, as if he were just taking a
break from doing some other show to cameo in Sherlock
Now, on to Sunday, or Day
3…
“Beyond the ‘Strong Female Protagonist’” Writing Women who are more
than ‘Kickass’” with Jim Hines, L. Jagi (“jah-gee”)Lamplighter, John C.
Wright, Meriah Crawford, and a special guest appearance by Alethea Kontis
Does “strong” = “kickass”?
How about “complete”? “Competent”?
Real – 3-dimensional – more than token, or all action, or romance – willing to
die to accomplish her goals (if necessary)
Nausicaa is a strong character,
not for fighting, but as a leader and someone who never gives up
Veronica Mars
Buffy
Oracle – still a superhero and
fighting the bad guys in her wheelchair
Willow (pre-magic)
Robin McKinley – all of her
stories are wonderful – Deerskin is an especially great character, with a dark,
touching story arc
Avatar, Last Airbender (series) – all the female characters are
strong! Excellent show!
Hermione (do I really need to say
from Harry Potter?)
Mrs Weasley - she’s the strong,
quiet background character, then she has her “Hell no” moment and really comes
through
Lessa in McCaffrey’a Pern stories
Trauma as an aspect of
storytelling
It’s easy to use to give
complexity to character’s development or growth
Rape is used far too often – in a
way it almost cheapens the tragic reality of women raped in real life – rarely
true to their experiences
Being orphaned is another
too-used trope – makes for a good “Hero’s Journey” arc
It’s a shame characters can’t
come from a “normal” background – without trauma in their childhood – and still
become “strong” characters
Alethea’s Woodcutter family is a
big, messy, squabbly family with both parents and connected siblings
The Incredibles!
What about “Mary Sue” characters?
Mary Sue refers to a Star Trek
fan fiction character and generally refers to a character created for wish
fulfillment
Is it too dismissive a term/criticism?
Couldn’t James Bond be defined as
a Mary Sue?
Jim Hines quote: “Conan is such
a Mary Sue!”
John Carter = Mary Sue (?)
The audience (reading or
watching) is torn by what we think we want from women characters –
“that’s not believable” or “that’s not satisfying”
There’s an inherent conflict in
the differences between tropes and pacing:
Drama, action, romance
Jagi discusses “The needs of
drama vs the needs of culture”
Women have *had* to grow up
projecting themselves into male characters/stories
Men don’t as much have experience
with this, and they find it harder to project into a female character –
possibly because they are trained from an early age to suppress any affinity
with their feminine selves
There’s a documentary coming out
later this year called something like “The Masks We Wear” that interviews boys
ages 10 to 17 (or older), and there are marked differences in how they talk
about their relationships at an early age vs each later year.
Boys might find it easier to
identify with an alien or a robot than with a woman!
My own aside here:
It seems it very difficult to have a conversation about gender, nature, and culture without it diverging wildly away from the topic at hand. It’s clearly still very charged, and we’re in the early stages of beginning to address in healthy, positive ways.
It seems it very difficult to have a conversation about gender, nature, and culture without it diverging wildly away from the topic at hand. It’s clearly still very charged, and we’re in the early stages of beginning to address in healthy, positive ways.
How do you make a character “strong”
without “conquering their femininity”?
Show characters tempted or
struggling with humanity, but use the best in themselves to overcome!
Next up:
Carry Ryan’s writing workshop
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Hey, you're making steady, consistent progress! And with a toddler! :) Keep up the great work. Thanks for keeping company!
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